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04-30-2008, 08:43 AM
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Let me ask you this then, why would the paragraph "Torque Arms permitted" even be in the rules then when no Ford product that I can think of ever came with a Torque Arm? I may be wrong but I know no Mustang ever did. Just wondering. Also their tech is lacking then because there are some being used in the class and yet one of my customers got flack for not having all of his core support which in no way affects performance. 
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04-30-2008, 08:51 AM
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Who is using the Wolfe TCD now?
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04-30-2008, 09:06 AM
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Let me ask you this then, why would the paragraph "Torque Arms permitted" even be in the rules then when no Ford product that I can think of ever came with a Torque Arm? I may be wrong but I know no Mustang ever did. Just wondering. Also their tech is lacking then because there are some being used in the class and yet one of my customers got flack for not having all of his core support which in no way affects performance. |
You need to address your rules questions officially to nmrarules@promediapub.com
I spoke with the NMRA and they'd prefer to answer the questions via e-mail as per their rules discussions function better following that system.
-James
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04-30-2008, 09:32 AM
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Well i'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus but i've been told by a very reliable source that were, up till now, a few in use so i'll just leave it at that and let their tech handle it from here. That's their job, not mine. I just want clarity on the rule in case I get a customer wanting me to put one on for them as I'm starting to get more NMRA Drag Radial customers.
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04-30-2008, 10:20 AM
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Well i'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus but i've been told by a very reliable source that were, up till now, a few in use so i'll just leave it at that and let their tech handle it from here. That's their job, not mine. I just want clarity on the rule in case I get a customer wanting me to put one on for them as I'm starting to get more NMRA Drag Radial customers.
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Well, I'd do someone a favor and keep them from getting booted from the next NMRA event... since the staff is now aware of it.. just my .02
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04-30-2008, 01:59 PM
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Pretty poor tech if they are not looking underneath cars IMHO
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04-30-2008, 02:27 PM
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Totally confusing and terrible wording of the rules stating " Torque arms permitted" "Torque arms and coil overs allowed" when they are not??? A torque arm is a torque arm whether David Wolfe built it or not. Are they saying that as long as the front of the torque arm is not hard mounted but rather in a slip type arrangement like in a F-body then it is legal?? Damn I'm confused but that is not unusual. 
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04-30-2008, 05:30 PM
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The NMRA tech dept is very tough so I surely wouldn't say that they don't look under the cars. Of course, anything can slip through cracks every now and then.
If you want to request a clarification in the wording, I'd e-mail the NMRA rules group at that e-mail and I'm sure they will consider adjusting it if there is significant confusion.
The Wolfe Bar is not a traditional torque arm by any stretch, IMHO. Not saying it should be legal/illegal or whatever, but that's not a traditional torque arm.
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04-30-2008, 08:18 PM
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Totally confusing and terrible wording of the rules stating " Torque arms permitted" "Torque arms and coil overs allowed" when they are not??? A torque arm is a torque arm whether David Wolfe built it or not. Are they saying that as long as the front of the torque arm is not hard mounted but rather in a slip type arrangement like in a F-body then it is legal?? Damn I'm confused but that is not unusual. |
The wolfe TCD or other torque arms I have seen are a slip deal as seen below
The GM factory piece bolts to the back of the transmission, not a fabricated crossmember like the bar above.
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05-01-2008, 07:20 AM
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Totally confusing and terrible wording of the rules stating " Torque arms permitted" "Torque arms and coil overs allowed" when they are not??? A torque arm is a torque arm whether David Wolfe built it or not. Are they saying that as long as the front of the torque arm is not hard mounted but rather in a slip type arrangement like in a F-body then it is legal?? Damn I'm confused but that is not unusual. |
Actually, coil-overs are allowed as per the rules and most guys have them now. I'm OK with the Coil-over rule since all your doing is combining shock and spring together instead of them being seperate. It really does nothing to enhance performance since adjustable shocks are allowed and so is the ability to change spring rates and ride heights.
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